@killyourfm Can anyone shed some light on what Linux gains from exFAT, apart from being able to read thumb drives created on Windows and Mac out of the box? Also, why did Microsoft made this move with exFAT and not NTFS? Do they have big plans for exFAT?

@m_svo
Personally it makes life easier for me....this way external drives work cross platform, which I do regularly. Having it in the kernel makes it work out of the box I'd imagine without the need to explicitly install it. Just a usability issue.

@killyourfm

@m_svo @killyourfm NTFS has been in kernel for years, albeit really behind other userspace drivers (like ntfs-3g, which is the most popular of them all).

Does Microsoft gain something from this? Nothing besides brownie points. It ends up benefiting users more than them.

@m_svo @killyourfm exFAT is way more simple than NTFS or Ext4, and superior to FAT. So, it is perfectly suited for thumbdrives and external drives, and IMO should be the standard for that. I have no idea though why Microsoft wants to bring it to Linux now.

@m_svo @killyourfm For the same reason Google offer you free services. It's to get you locked into their ecosystem and/or gain control over you and the market.

@unfa @m_svo You have a microphone, an opinion, and you know how to reach me ;-)

@m_svo
@killyourfm
I can speak to a convenience factor - an external backup drive from a Linux based NAS, can be easily accessed and restored from a Mac or Windows machine for disaster recovery.
Not the only way, but a multiplatform, large file friendly file system.

@viciousviscosity @m_svo @killyourfm

more than a convenience: I've taken to putting small *FAT32* partitions on media simply to carry a README saying to check the drive for readable partitions on multiple OSes.

this guards against, for instance, someone plugging an ext4 volume into a Mac or Win machine and just formatting it, thinking it blank or corrupt.

@m_svo @killyourfm @unfa Please read through Karen's post linked here for the summary and what's the next step Microsoft should take for it to be a proper first step in giving back.
sfconservancy.org/blog/2019/au

@unfa @killyourfm @m_svo
That is mostly fear mongering. While we certainly have a reason to angry if MS doesn't honour its commitments and pull out of OIN or doesn't distribute the kernel themselves , Karen's post is more optimistic and rational (she warns about it clearly).

Since exFAT tends to be important and entrenched as a popular media format for video capture, this driver could lessen one barrier for adoption. Also a fair share of work will be done in staging before it's mainlined.

@akhilvarkey @unfa @m_svo As an optimist, I'm going to happily jump on your side of this opinion fence.

@killyourfm @unfa @m_svo
It's good to be a rational and cautious optimist. Gnu/Linux or other FOSS users have a reason to be afraid of MS not honouring the commitments or worse. I think this is the first exchange where they are not gaining a lot back. (at least I cannot make out major gains apart from good will and lesssons learnt from contributions to better exFAT file system driver support in Linux kernel). I would like native support for ext4 in Windows too.

@akhilvarkey @killyourfm @m_svo Hah. I think Windows suffers badly for not supporting Ext4 and Btrfs. The latter is saving me a lot of work and trouble especially.

@unfa @akhilvarkey @deejoe @killyourfm I read somewhere about a week ago that some 2020 Win 10 build is planned to include native ext4 support (since they already include a kernel in sping? 2019 build and allow access to WSL (Ubuntu from Windows store) files via explorer), just spent 30 mins looking for the source and can`t find it, sadly.

@akhilvarkey

my main move on reading any news like this should be "what does SFC say?".

so, thanks for the link

@m_svo @killyourfm @unfa

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